Tuesday, January 03, 2006

The Skirt Question

From the beginning when Kristin first came up with the idea for a blog about godly womanhood and femininity, writing posts has been a challenge. Before I began writing posts, I thought I knew what godly womanhood meant. Now, as I have been faced with the challenge of articulating those beliefs, it has caused me to do some Scripture searching and soul searching. The following post has been especially difficult to write, as it includes some subjects that are rather controversial among Christians. When approaching this subject, I had to try and make sure that I was not allowing my personal opinions to blind me from seeing the truth. I pray that as you read this, you will try to do the same thing.

A couple of weeks ago, David Boskovic asked us the following question:
"...you girls should do something on BftH [Beauty from the Heart] on why you don't consider wearing pants to be something non-feminine. I'd really like to hear your thoughts on that, because in my opinion that's a major part of the definition. It appears from a couple articles I read that you would agree, but where's the practice? Ok, I don't mean to ruffle any feathers. Just want to hear what you have to say."
Thank you for the interesting question, David. First of all, I would like to say that I do wear skirts and have nothing against those women who choose to wear them all the time. That, I believe, is their personal prerogative. Yet when approaching this subject I would be very, very cautious of drifting into legalism.

In Dueteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." (KJV) This begs the question, what is it that "pertaineth unto a woman?" What is womanly?

Some believe that women must wear dresses/skirts to be feminine, but this idea is based on the supposition that skirts/dresses are inherently women's clothing. In the United States we consider skirts to be solely a woman's garment, though in other cultures it is not always so. During Old Testament times it was not only women who wore skirts. In 1 Samuel, David cuts off a piece of Saul's "skirt." (1 Samuel 24:4, KJV) Boaz was also mentioned as wearing a skirt (1 Samuel 15:27, KJV). In Ezekiel 16:8, God refers to using His skirt to cover Israel's nakedness. Since skirts were worn by both men and women, women need not necessarily wear skirts/dresses to appear feminine.

As I said before, I have nothing against women who wear skirts and dresses. In fact, I admire them for going against the cultural norm. But I would also caution against drifting into legalism on this subject, as it is not directly spelled out in the Bible. We do not wish to be like the teachers of the law whom Jesus rebuked as those who only honored Him with their lips and taught "as doctrine the precepts of men." (Matthew 15:9) Jesus makes it clear in this passage that it is the inside--our hearts--that is more important than our appearance.

I once heard a woman speak of how she tried to emulate the godly women around her. She began by copying their cooking, dressing like them, and talking like them. Eventually she realized that, though she did her best to have the same appearance as that of the godly women around her, without Christ she was still dead inside. It is Christ inside of us who gives us life and it is the Holy Spirit that purifies our hearts. Who we are on the inside will manifest itself in our appearance. If we are content in our hearts with being women, then it should result with us looking feminine. Femininity is not merely external but becomes external when we treat others gently and when we serve and esteem others as more important than ourselves. Whether we are clothed in a skirt or even something unattractive....beauty comes from the heart.

Any thoughts?

Posted by Hannah

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Blogger Unconformed said...

yup, Hannah! you nailed it. i was telling my dad how these two sweet ladies were "so alike" one day, and he tilted his head, and said "i don't see how they're alike at all." then i realized that he was right. they weren't alike--but they both had a close relationship with the same Lord. and that's what makes them so lovely!

January 03, 2006 5:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good thought, Hannahbeth. I think it is good to always be searching our hearts. While the external (or wearing of a skirt)is fine, the matters of the heart are of far more value. We always need to watch out for pride and legalism...
Good post. :)
Ponderin'

January 03, 2006 6:50 PM  
Blogger Lindsey said...

Excellent post, Hannah! You addressed this issue very well. I agree completely. I like skirts very much, but do not own many, simply because (for me) jeans are more comfortable and practical for every-day wear. But I have no problem with girls who decide to wear skirts or dresses all the time, either. I like your closing sentence- its so true!

January 03, 2006 8:16 PM  
Blogger Jeannine said...

Excellent post! I completely agree with you, Hannah. It is so easy to get caught up in external "proves" of femininity and forget about our hearts.

January 04, 2006 12:16 AM  
Blogger David said...

I'll write back with a response when I get a chance, it may not be until the end of the month.

January 04, 2006 3:05 AM  
Blogger Karen Kovaka said...

I'm so glad you wrote about this topic, Hannah. It encouraged me a lot. Femininity and legalism get so muddled sometimes. I loved your response. I love skirts, but ultimately, it's beauty from the heart,' not 'beauty from the skirt.'

January 04, 2006 4:51 AM  
Blogger thepatriot15 said...

Thank you so much for your thoughts Hannah; I am really enjoying this blog. I realise that the main theme of this blog is femininity, but I just wanted to mention that for me (I do wear skirts most of the time) it's not just because I feel, personally, that skirts are more feminine, but I wear them because I feel they are more modest... men and women have differant ways to be modest/immodest and I think that the message God is trying to send us women is not only to act and look as women but to dress modestly... I'm sure I view some pants as feminine, but for me the main question is "is it modest?" I doubt you will have time to respond but I'd like to ask; why do you wear pants (assuming from your post that you do)?

I hope you don't mind my opinion here!

God bless; keep up the great posts!
Jennifer

January 04, 2006 6:05 AM  
Blogger Kristin said...

Thanks for your thoughts Jennifer. We will definitly take your suggestion under consideration and let you know if we do a post on it. You ask a very good question and it deserves an answer.

January 04, 2006 6:44 AM  
Blogger Ednella said...

That was a great post! I think you wrote it very graciously. Keep up the good work!!

~Nella

January 04, 2006 8:32 AM  
Blogger Virginia said...

Great post, I agree with you completely! Wearing skirts can be nice and can make you feel pretty, but it isn't sinful NOT to wear them all the time. I don't wear them much except for when I go to church, but I wear them a lot in the summer simply because it's hard to find modest shorts, and skirts are just as cool.

January 04, 2006 8:44 AM  
Anonymous David said...

Thought I'd note here that I don't consider girls wearing pants to be sinful, assuming they're worn modestly and unprovocatively. What you wear affects your perceived image. If I wear jeans and a t-shirt or if I were cotton twill pants and a dress shirt it changes my perceived image. Add a tie, and it changes again. Now stick a rangers' hat on. (got me dressed up really weird there) But we all know that the way we dress really does affect the way other's see us.

Understanding that, do pants on a girl illustrate a distinctly feminine image? I mean, what's 'feminine beauty'? I can't see into your heart, what I see is your outward image. You used the illustration of the woman who tried copying people to become a Christian. That's like going to a concert to learn how to play the violin. I don't condone that.

Most certainly the heart is the place to begin. But I've heard that excuse about everything. In fact, I won't link to it, but if you'd like to find it you can. A Christian nudist camp said the same thing. Now I'm taking it to the extreme by far, but my point is, the heart must, and will always have an outward release. It cannot stay concealed within the confines of your skull. If you have a feminine heart, and a feminine attitude, why not consider having feminine clothing.

Your pants are feminine? How much more feminine than your feminist next door? You see there is a lot more difference in your heart than in your clothes. Is it possible that something should be following suit of what you 'really are inside'?

"Femininity is not merely external but becomes external when we treat others gently and when we serve and esteem others as more important than ourselves."

That's not really striking the point. That's not necessarily feminine because a man ought to do that also.

I don't at all question your heart, but does your feminine beauty stop there? What beauty is in a rosebud until it has broken forth into a visible blossom?

My thoughts... hope you're not hurt.

January 04, 2006 12:33 PM  
Blogger Hannah Beth said...

David,
Thank you for taking the time to reply. I am not hurt at all---I wouldn't blog if I were not open to discussion. :-)

You said, "Most certainly the heart is the place to begin. But I've heard that excuse about everything. In fact, I won't link to it, but if you'd like to find it you can. A Christian nudist camp said the same thing. Now I'm taking it to the extreme by far, but my point is, the heart must, and will always have an outward release. It cannot stay concealed within the confines of your skull. If you have a feminine heart, and a feminine attitude, why not consider having feminine clothing."
My thoughts:
"Feminine clothing" is a very broad term and is not exclusive to skirts. For instance, long hair is an expression of femininity. 1 Cor. 11:15: "Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering."
Every culture's taste in clothing has changed over the years. As I said in my post, in the United States, skirts are considered feminine clothing. But in Scotland, for example, the traditional outfit for men includes wearing a skirt. In the Old Testament times, both women and men wore "skirts" (see my post for references.) If men have worn skirts throughout the years, even men of the Bible, then how can we say now that skirts are feminine? I'm not trying to campaign that men should begin to wear skirts, but my point is that it is our culture that says skirts are women's clothing --not history or the Bible.

January 05, 2006 8:46 AM  
Blogger Ednella said...

Great point... about the culture defining skirts as femenin, but not the Bible.

January 05, 2006 9:06 AM  
Blogger David said...

our culture that says skirts are women's clothing

You've made my point. Skirts give a distinctly feminine image in our culture. I said I didn't believe wearing pants was wrong/sinful. I said that they apparently don't reveal 'feminine beauty'. Now I add, in our culture.

January 05, 2006 3:21 PM  
Blogger Lindsey said...

The dictionary definition of feminine is: "characteristic of, or appropriate, or unique to women". I don't know if that helps any, but I thought I'd throw it out there...

January 05, 2006 10:04 PM  
Blogger David said...

I'm not sure who it helps.... but I don't think anybody will disagree that skirts enter very well into that category.

January 06, 2006 4:14 AM  
Anonymous Ponderin' said...

The question is "where do you get your guidelines for how to live, from the Bible or from God?" It seems that Hannah is saying to rely more on Scripture and how God leads you and not what the culture says.

January 06, 2006 6:22 AM  
Anonymous Ponderin' said...

David-
I visited your blog, and think that we are probably "like-minded" on a lot of things...while I still think that what Hannahbeth was saying is to make sure that we think Biblically and not culturally, you had some good points in the discussion and I hope I didn't step on any toes with my comment.

January 06, 2006 9:25 AM  
Blogger David said...

My toes are well hid. ;) :D

I understand what she is saying, but the way I see it is that we should be using Biblical guidlines to show us how to live in our culture.

January 06, 2006 1:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with David. When girls say that they think skirts are nice but just not for them, is that our pride in not admitting that we know what God really would like us to do and just trying to talk ourselve into what we want?
I used to wear pants all the time too, I know what its like. I think, really, that we should stop sometimes and truely study our motives, give our WHOLE life to the LORD and see how He uses us. Yes I know that He can use even the more worldly Christians for the enfurtherment of His kingdom, but, think what He could do even more if He had our whole hearts.

Just some thoughts, not trying to be condemning, just challenging.

May we always live for His glory Alone!!!

S.G.

January 07, 2006 12:28 PM  
Blogger Lindsey said...

"I understand what she is saying, but the way I see it is that we should be using Biblical guidlines to show us how to live in our culture."

Right. The Bible says to dress modestly, so girls should wear modest apparel. If the jeans/other pants are worn modestly, that is fine. However.. even skirts can be immodest, you know. I've seen skirts so short that you can't bend over even a few inches. Not all skirts are like that, of course- but skirts, too, can fall under the category of immodesty. Like Hannah, I have no problem with girls who decide to wear skirts all the time, but I don't think wearing jeans is wrong either- so long as both are modest.
Just my thoughts! :)

January 07, 2006 3:43 PM  
Blogger David said...

Ha, Lindsey, but you only repeated what I had said. Nobody said it was wrong to wear pants.

Wearing jeans may be modest, but you must agree with me that it has nothing to do with feminine beauty. There must be a balance between modesty and femininity. We all understand that there are both dresses and pants that are immodest. All modes of attire have the option of being immodest. There are girls who dress feminine but grossly immodestly. The question we really come down to is this, "Is your attire reflecting your convictions?"

Is it really now? Are jeans and pants really reflecting your convictions on a femine role? Are you wearing your colors as leaders of a movement towards feminine girlhood? Or are you only going half way?

January 08, 2006 7:34 AM  
Blogger Lindsey said...

oh, ok. sorry. I see what you're getting at now... hmm...

January 08, 2006 12:07 PM  
Blogger David said...

Sorry, that made me laugh. Thanks for bearing with me, sometimes it takes me a while to explain myself. :) Something to think about anyhow.

God Bless!

January 08, 2006 2:41 PM  
Blogger Palm boy said...

I think Hannah Beth had a point with the skirts not really being Femine. The Celts used em, the vikings occasionally did, and the gladiators of Rome did, as did your average Roman Leigonare. I would image most ancient armor used skits/kilts as opposed to leggins', just because it saves on material. If you can cover about 50% more area with the same protection, and probably increased freedom of movement, then it makes sense to use that as a garmet of War, rather then one of house keeping. As such, I believe skirts/kilts have more of a masculine tradition then a feminine one.

Pants are a more recent invention, and were used by knights first, because it is derned hard to ride a horse with a metal skirt on. Later, the common sailor/soldier would wear them, both to keep warm at see, and to stop from being snagged in the rigging. The soldier would wear them because no skirt will stop a bullet. So they switched to pants to keep warm.

The dresses are a recent thing in history.

January 10, 2006 3:46 PM  
Blogger Lindsey said...

Yes, but I think what David is saying is that- in our present culture- skirts are definitely feminine. In the past, maybe not- but today, definitely. I really can't argue with that... it's true.

January 10, 2006 4:57 PM  
Blogger David said...

That's precisely what I was trying to define, thanks Lindsey.

Any thoughts to add to this, Hannah or Kristin? Mind following up on this discussion?

January 10, 2006 5:59 PM  
Blogger David said...

Specifically in answer to my questions as of January 08, 2006 10:34 AM

I'll leave this in your ball park, and I totally understand if you'd rather not comment. :) God Bless you both.

January 10, 2006 6:01 PM  
Blogger Hannah Beth said...

I have been watching this discussion since it began and have gotten the feeling that there might have been some misunderstanding along down the line. Perhaps I did not make myself clear (I've been known to do that many, many times before so its very possible.)
I am not anti-skirt. What I disagree with is the legalism that says that women must wear skirts.
As Palm Boy and I both pointed out, there are no Scriptural grounds for this belief. It is true that skirts are considered in this modern culture to be feminine. But we are not to use the culture as our guide as to what to wear. As Christians, it should be Scripture that guides us, and I believe that Scripture does not decidedly point out that women should wear skirts. It says that they should be feminine (Duet. 22:5)
The question should follow, "what was God referring to as 'feminine?'" Well, since men wore skirts back then too, and they were not rebuked for it, it makes sense that skirts are not a necessarily feminine article of clothing.
The essence of womanhood is not the wearing of skirts; one could be feminine without them. I am not arguing that women should dress in a way that is unwomanly, but that skirts are not required to be womanly. A woman can wear pants and still look feminine.

January 10, 2006 7:43 PM  
Blogger David said...

A woman can wear pants and still look feminine.

Hannah, a woman can look 'female' but there's nothing feminine about wearing pants.

What I disagree with is the legalism that says that women must wear skirts.

Me too. But just because some people are legalistic about it, does that mean you shouldn't do it?

But we are not to use the culture as our guide as to what to wear.

That, however, is precisely what you are doing by wearing pants.

They say actions speak louder than words, so I tend to put more weight on actions than on words. That’s why I would say that a lot of talk about the heart being feminine and nothing visible to prove it, isn’t as weighty as a little talk, and something visible to prove it. So, if I see a girl dressed feminine, she doesn’t have to tell me much for me to know her convictions on that topic. On the contrary if a girl is wearing jeans and wants to convince me about her inside status… well, put it this way.

Actions speak louder than words.

Anyways, I have a feeling this discussion may turn sour. And I'm leaving for 4 weeks tomorrow and I'm not sure how much I'll be able to contribute. So... I'll let you have the last say. :)

January 11, 2006 4:25 AM  
Blogger Palm boy said...


Hannah, a woman can look 'female' but there's nothing feminine about wearing pants.


That would be your personal opinion, with no visible groundings. If your going to present opinion as fact, have something to back it up.

Me too. But just because some people are legalistic about it, does that mean you shouldn't do it?

Some people are legalistic about the proper landing spot of a newspaper. Does that mean you care what they think about it?
Just because one minor fraction of the world beleives that a woman should wear a skit/dress all the time, does not mean the rest of Christianity should have to bow to there wishes.

They say actions speak louder than words, so I tend to put more weight on actions than on words. That’s why I would say that a lot of talk about the heart being feminine and nothing visible to prove it, isn’t as weighty as a little talk, and something visible to prove it. So, if I see a girl dressed feminine, she doesn’t have to tell me much for me to know her convictions on that topic. On the contrary if a girl is wearing jeans and wants to convince me about her inside status… well, put it this way.

Just a few comments on this: Have you ever, in your entire life, outside of the computer, talked to either one of these young ladies? Hmm? I have at least one, and she is living out what is posted on here. That is an action in real life, that does indeed speak much louder then there words. They aren't hypocrites, they are doing there best, and an excellent job of it, living out what God would have them do.
I do believe you are in dire need of being able to look beyond the external, and look at the actions and heart of a person, rather then the style of clothing they where.

January 11, 2006 6:32 AM  
Blogger David said...

I do believe you are in dire need of being able to look beyond the external, and look at the actions and heart of a person, rather then the style of clothing they where.

I acknowledge my need.

Have you ever, in your entire life, outside of the computer, talked to either one of these young ladies?

No I actually haven't, I'm sure you suspected that. But nevertheless even though I have not met either of them, I have no doubt about their hearts, in fact, I consider them to be an ideal that others' should look up to as for devotion to Christ, and beauty from the heart. This in my mind is paramount to any other thing. Both of these girls have my total respect.

They are doing their best, and an excellent job of it, living out what God would have them do.

Not only are they doing their best, they are doing far beyond that by the strength of God. It is not often that you can find girls who will stand like they do. In this they deserve admiration.

However this argument is not about their character, and I beg forgiveness of all of you if it appeared that way. This discussion is about whether or not girls with such character should be exhibiting their convictions of femininity by wearing dresses. My opinion is yes, your opinion is no. So I assume.

I understand that my comments about actions and words could be taken wrongly and I understood that when I posted it but hoped it wouldn't come across that way. I understand that these girls act out their life in a most admirable, and feminine, and godly manner. I was not talking about these actions. I was however, stating my opinion that girls who have been transformed from the inside out, should think about a challenge to their visible image. And I also don't want at all to pass over the fact that these girls are modest, and in no way are (in my opinion) contradicting any biblical principles by their demeanor, behavior, thoughts, or clothing. I know that this really takes a lot of momentum from behind my argument. But I must say this, because it is true, they are not immodest, there is nothing in scripture that requires them to wear a dress. And as we have all seen the argument of not 'wearing men's clothing' is slightly lacking in power. What then is my point?

My point is this. And I think that it does not necessitate a great list of supporting information to understand it as fact. "Girls have a much more feminine image wearing a dress. Girls who are feminine only have that quality increased by wearing a dress. Girls who are feminine, look more feminine in a dress. Therefore, if a girl wants to look feminine, and show her colors, she should wear a dress."

I hope I have clarified myself in all directions and to all parties. I apologize for any personal offense if it was taken. Thankyou for listening.

David Boskovic

January 11, 2006 1:59 PM  
Anonymous Marissa said...

I was thinking, after reading all this... If skirts are just as much men's clothing, what would you say if a man came up to you wearing a skirt (not a kilt)?
You wouldn't say he was masculine, and justified because skirts are men's apparel too, in other cultures, would you? First assumption would probably be that he was gay.
So skirts are defintely not masculine for guys here in North America. It doesn't matter if they were worn in the Bible, or if the man feels they are more comfortable, they would be a wrong representation of that man's heart. My question is this: could it be the same way with the pants on us women?

Most important is a modest heart, exactly, for yes, without a modest heart, a girl could be dressed like a Puritan and still be immodest.

I have many friends who wear skirts only. I have many friends who wear pants. I love them all, and each have been tremendous encouragements to me in my walk with God. God has different people at different places.

The "what is 'pertaining unto a women'" question does not appear to be cut and dried, but I think we should prioritize finding out what it is, exactly, because it's a "shall not" command, worded with as much authority as "Thou shalt not kill." So we'd better be sure our position is accurate.

My thoughts written out... many not necessarily directed at anyone.

But it's good to see people with the courage to share on such controversial issues, and dig deeper. We need someone to remind us of our calling as daughters of the King! Good for you, Hannah. God bless. : )

January 13, 2006 5:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

uh people have you got nothing to do better than talking about wearing or not wearing skirts/ pants ? don't you think it's a little pathetic?
come on... I don't mean to be rude but if you want to be 'modest' just choose clothe that make you feel that way...skirts or pants whatever!

January 16, 2006 11:50 AM  
Blogger David said...

:)

January 16, 2006 7:55 PM  
Blogger Kristin said...

I agree Anonymous!

January 17, 2006 6:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just wanted to applaud David (and others) for remaining so very pleasant throughout the discussion. For whatever reason, this is a touchy subject that I have rarely seen discussed to courteously. Pretty much everyone said some things that made excellent sense, too, though I tend towards agreeing with most of David's views.
Anyhow...just couldn't pass up expressing my surprised delight at seeing a thread like this with such reasoned presentation and controlled tempers.

January 28, 2006 9:54 PM  
Anonymous InHisCare said...

I wear pants and don't feel guilty wearing them. I also love wearing long skirts and dresses. I totally agree that dresses/skirts vs. pants isn't the issue, it's modesty and femininity.
Some homeschool families I know are dresses only, however, the dresses although modest are baggy, look like they stepped off of an 1800's farm, and really aren't feminine. No offense to those families, I just don't see any use in wearing dresses-only, if it's not feminine or a least a little bit attractive.
I will confess that I do feel more feminine in dresses, but I also believe that an outfit composed of not-tight dress-pants and a nice blouse can be feminine. Also, if your countenance, manners, etc.. are Godly than femininity can show through. A young woman can be dressed in an ankle length dress, but if she is loud, boisterous, giggly, unmannered, disrespectful, etc... she's not feminine.
Finally, in my opinion if a clothing item is not low-necked, skin-tight, low-cut, mid-rif showing, among a couple other things, it's modest. If a young woman is dressed according to those standards, is mannerly, courteous, not manipulative in conversation, graceful, respectful to her position under her father's authority, ladylike, and God-pleasing---in my opinion, she is feminine.

February 08, 2006 5:14 PM  
Anonymous Laitwen said...

This conversation may be long over, I'm not sure, but I just wanted to comment, and throw a thought out there. Forgive me if this is redundant. =)

First of all, I really appreciated the article. You made several wonderful points, and I just wanted to emphasise your last statement. A couple years ago, (I'm only 15) when in a store one day, I found myself chatting with an older man who reminded me a lot of someone's best friend's grandfather. He was very friendly, and we talked for a few minutes as I kept an eye on and played with, my little 2 year old brother. Then he said something that really meant something to me. He said that I was "truly beautiful". Of course I smiled, thanked him, and we carried on with whatever we had been talking about, but as I thought about it, my first thought was that nothing could be further from the truth! Me? beautiful?! It was a bad hair day, i was dressed in torn jeans, and a large baggy t-shirt, no make-up at all, and I was playing with a 2 year old! I was anything but beautiful. I tried to dismiss his statement, but I realized later, that he meant more than outward beauty. The mere fact that I was willingly watching my little brother for my Mom stood out to the gentleman. He saw a beauty in that, which I was blind to.

I do not say that to brag, but rather to serve as an inspiration for young ladies. We CAN "shine" with the beauty of Christ, and it not matter whether we are wearing a skirt or jeans. pink or black. Our culture may not respect inward beauty and charachter as anything worthy of recognition, but there are a few who will see something beautiful. =)

April 14, 2006 11:50 AM  
Anonymous David Boskovic said...

We CAN "shine" with the beauty of Christ, and it not matter whether we are wearing a skirt or jeans. pink or black. Our culture may not respect inward beauty and charachter as anything worthy of recognition, but there are a few who will see something beautiful. =)

Thanks so much for making that point in such a clear open manner, Laitwen. I do not in the least bit contest with that. In fact I heartily say, AMEN!

Of course I still stand for what I said. A dress only highlights those character qualities, in my humble opinion.

April 25, 2006 10:25 AM  
Anonymous jblaha said...

Interesting discussion...one that I have not thought about in a long time. These are just a couple thoughts to throw out there. (1) In this era and this culture, skirts are known to be a womanly garment. It has not always been so (as mentioned above). From Scripture, it is mentioned as something easily understood what garments are pertaining to women and those to men, or else I believe the writer would have explained more. We know what pertains to women and what pertains to men. There should not be much of a discussion. (2) There are Christian schools in southern regions of the US that I know do not allow females to wear skirts for the sake that they tend to be more immodest. I would have to agree. On the other hand, pants can also be immodest depending on tightness. The rule is modesty. (3) I have yet to see a guy try to squeeze into women's pants...not a pretty picture. There are woman's pants and men's pants. They are made to fit the designated gender. Just thoughts...

Josh

May 01, 2006 8:42 PM  
Blogger Ryan said...

I know this discussion has long died down/out, but I would like to share an article that I have found to be very balanced and practical regarding this issue. I could myself try to make many points, but this man makes them so much more clearly and succinctly!

Women Wearing Pants

Greetings in Christ,
--Ryan

July 06, 2006 8:21 AM  
Anonymous Leilani said...

Hi!

My name is Leilani and I found your web through Morgan! I live on the other end of the world!

I found this discussion very interesting! I had to say I agree with Jennifer! For me, skirts was a modesty issue rather than a "feminine" issue. I do not feel very modest wearing pants and know that it doesn't look the best on me either. (Well, it might look sexy but that's not what I'm wanting to portray as a Christian). I actually cannot find modest pants the way they are made nowadays. I seldom see girls wearing loose pants that do not fit a little tighter than they should. I'm not pointing fingers and it must be a heart thing! I have only been wearing skirts for a about a year and that was only because I noticed the change in my own behaviour when I wore pants. I knew I had a power that I do not have when I wear skirts. (Obviously the same can be said when you wear skirts that are too tight or too short). When I'm working hard in the garden I do wear loose pants. There are some things that cannot be done modestly in skirts but they main thing is to give God the glory by what we wear and the image we portray! To end though, we cannot judge people by whether they wear skirts or not! Keep up the good discussion! It's very interesting to have these issues addressed by teenagers!

God bless you girls!
Leilani

July 24, 2006 6:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Hannah that God cares about what's in our hearts, and in the case of attire He sees it as an abomination for a person of one gender to wear that which pertaineth unto another.

My parents brought me up to wear only skirts and dresses, never pants, and to keep the legs bare (no hose or socks).

IMHO this style of attire maximises the difference in appearance between male and female and also requires some personal sacrifice (it can get very cold in the winter) and therefore it demonstrates that what's in the wearer's heart is a wish to keep the appearance as feminine as possible. I don't think the same could be said if I wore a pair of pants.

August 12, 2006 4:30 PM  

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